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tenure requirements

Susanne

193 day(s) ago

Interesting thread at the daily nous: http://dailynous.com/2017/06/07/tenure-publication-requirements-pre-tenure-leave-philosophers-liberal-arts-colleges/

I'm at a R1 university, but we have no clear guidelines (i.e., there are no numbers). how many articles should I publish? my hunch would be 1.5/year, with a good 50% of the articles in "top" journals and the others in books or not-so-top journals

Juliet

193 day(s) ago

You can get away with less, especially if your R1 isn't tippy-top, but you should aim for two articles a year, two minor things a year (invited pieces, book reviews, etc.), and a book every four or five.

You'll probably fall short of that, and that's ok. But you should be aiming high to sail through. You're going to want at least ten articles.

Juliet

193 day(s) ago

You can get away with less, especially if your R1 isn't tippy-top, but you should aim for two articles a year, two minor things a year (invited pieces, book reviews, etc.), and a book every four or five.

You'll probably fall short of that, and that's ok. But you should be aiming high to sail through. You're going to want at least ten articles.

Robert

192 day(s) ago

Especially considering that these days, graduate students need so much more output before even getting hired, I think the most interesting question to come from the discussion was:

"May I add a question? Do schools typically count articles written before the job starts for the tenure file? If I have, say, 7 articles before I start, would I be starting over at 0 for purposes of tenure?"

Does anybody have information or personal experiences about this?

Everett

192 day(s) ago

My institution only considered things I published while I was there. Anything published before wasn't considered in favor of tenure. And my college doesn't really care about research. In any case, you can probably negotiate this when you are hired at many places. If you have some top pubs, you really want them to count. . . . And things get more complicated the longer you've been out. If you get poached in your 5th year on the tenure track, you should try to come in tenured to avoid this kind of shit. If you've been adjuncting or visiting, then that probably won't happen.

Either way, you should nearly always go up for tenure on schedule. Don't try to push it up. It's often seen as arrogant. It causes hassles and will irritate your colleagues. And you don't have as much time to accumulate pubs, service, and a teaching record. Why make the process any riskier than needed. . . . I know of some ego maniacs that have pushed for extremely accelerated tenure clocks.

Hypatia

192 day(s) ago

"May I add a question? Do schools typically count articles written before the job starts for the tenure file? If I have, say, 7 articles before I start, would I be starting over at 0 for purposes of tenure?"

Even if schools say they don't, outside letter writers don't care and won't check where you were when you published stuff. E.g., if you publish in Phil Review the year before you start on the tenure track somewhere, then even if it's not in your tenure file, it will show up on your CV, and its presence there will influence the opinion of outside letter writers.

Hypatia

192 day(s) ago

"May I add a question? Do schools typically count articles written before the job starts for the tenure file? If I have, say, 7 articles before I start, would I be starting over at 0 for purposes of tenure?"

Even if schools say they don't, outside letter writers don't care and won't check where you were when you published stuff. E.g., if you publish in Phil Review the year before you start on the tenure track somewhere, then even if it's not in your tenure file, it will show up on your CV, and its presence there will influence the opinion of outside letter writers.

Miriam

192 day(s) ago

You can get away with less, especially if your R1 isn't tippy-top, but you should aim for two articles a year, two minor things a year (invited pieces, book reviews, etc.), and a book every four or five.

You'll probably fall short of that, and that's ok. But you should be aiming high to sail through. You're going to want at least ten articles.

Juliet

Unless you are the daughter of some famous professor in your own top department. Somewhere in New Jersey, let's say.

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63 day(s) ago

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Heraclitus

62 day(s) ago

Especially considering that these days, graduate students need so much more output before even getting hired, I think the most interesting question to come from the discussion was:

"May I add a question? Do schools typically count articles written before the job starts for the tenure file? If I have, say, 7 articles before I start, would I be starting over at 0 for purposes of tenure?"

Does anybody have information or personal experiences about this?

Robert

I'm at a good R1. We count all publications, including pubs from grad school. We encourage people to go up early who have the pubs, though we require they take 3 years minimum on the TT. But if you publish a bunch before coming here and then stop publishing, you won't get tenured, even if the # of total publication is enough. You need to show a constant stream of output and evidence that you'll continue publishing after you're tenured.

Herman

62 day(s) ago

In response to Robert, where I'm at we distinguish publications "during the review period" from items associated with the "whole career." The documents relating to a given case, e.g. a tenure case, have all this tortured wording to distinguish evaluations based on one or the other timeline. We are a research university but without a top flight philosophy program. More than 10 in good places during the review period is a home run. Less than 4, even in good places, is most likely a fail. Between those cases things are fuzzier. I agree that letter writers will tend to ignore this review period stuff and just focus on whole career.

Kao

61 day(s) ago

I'm at a good R1. Book reviews count for zero.

Vatsyayana

61 day(s) ago

I'm at an R1. I agree with the comments above. Pre-job publications matter. But you also have to demonstrate that you are continuing to produce scholarship and will continue to do so.

Imagine two people, A and B:

A. Publishes 10 papers in grad school. During six year probation period, publishes nothing. During tenure review, has 2 papers under review, not yet accepted.

B. Publishes 2 papers in grad school. During six year probation, publishes 8 more papers. During tenure review, has 2 papers under review, not yet accepted.

Suppose the quality of the papers and the publication venues are identical, and that all the publications are in good journals.

B has a stronger chance of getting tenure than A. The problem is that A's recent lack of productivity makes us worry he or she has fizzled out, run out of steam or ideas, or is the kind of person who gets tenure and then retires. B's constant stream of output reduces that worry.

Vatsyayana

61 day(s) ago

I'm at an R1. I agree with the comments above. Pre-job publications matter. But you also have to demonstrate that you are continuing to produce scholarship and will continue to do so.

Imagine two people, A and B:

A. Publishes 10 papers in grad school. During six year probation period, publishes nothing. During tenure review, has 2 papers under review, not yet accepted.

B. Publishes 2 papers in grad school. During six year probation, publishes 8 more papers. During tenure review, has 2 papers under review, not yet accepted.

Suppose the quality of the papers and the publication venues are identical, and that all the publications are in good journals.

B has a stronger chance of getting tenure than A. The problem is that A's recent lack of productivity makes us worry he or she has fizzled out, run out of steam or ideas, or is the kind of person who gets tenure and then retires. B's constant stream of output reduces that worry.


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